Memory Lane

So here we are. Still drinkin'. This romp down memory lane is brought to you by b33phd1p, wango, Wendeep, and me, Jim.

     This Finca Felchman Cab Sav Roble is b33phd1p's current regular drinker and I have just had the mispleasure of sampling it. It comes at you with a dusty cardboardy scratchiness and leaves you with a dull memory of what was once crappy old grapes. I don't really care about this wine but I drank it anyway because wine. With any luck I'll get this writing gig back off the ground.

E for effort (this rating is for myself, not the wine).

J. Floorburn

The Chrysalids

third bottle of wine now over the past few days where upon I crunch my last sip on some wine crystals... not sure if i like that or not yet

Sort Of An Update: Pinots, Grigios, Bordeaux, And Back Pain

     I've been continuing the recent pinot noir kick.  A couple of weeks ago I revisited the first pinot I ever reviewed: Maurel Vedaux, $15.99 (french obviously), and it lays waste to the jp cheney.

     Wendeep's birthday party produced an impressive pile of spoils. She received many whites which made me want to buy a B.C. pinot grigio for some reason. I think there may have been a plan to mix it with something. Mineral water maybe? It doesn't appear to have any juice in it judging by the photograph, however, I enjoy a white on the rocks when I'm really thirsty. (It's pretty trippy viewing my kitchen reversed like that. -Ed.)

This may have been some sort of cocktail or spritzer.

     Last night Wendeep and I perused our wine drawer and picked a 2006 bordeaux to have with dinner.  We have a custom of crushing a special bottle from the drawer the night before one of us gets on a plane or leaves for an extended road trip. The idea is to at least have one more bottle from the collection together in case the unthinkable happens, (which is of course, death) and then the leftover person can feel free to guzzle the remaining stash at their discretion.  Well this Chateau Beaumont Haut-Médoc was a real treat. I became nervous I would be ruined for cheap wine. (Fears were short lived as I'm cheap and currently drinking plonk.) It was instantly fruity like a fruit-blast but gave way to subtle tannin. While the lasagna was in the oven we paired this heavy-hitter with some slices of compte, which I have been told is basically french table cheese. Imagine the perfect balance between a medium parmesan and a medium dutch gouda. Right there that became all I wanted for dinner ever, just that wine and that cheese, the berry fruity-ness was muted and the finish became longer and longer showing off this wine's incredible structure. I have nothing ill to say. Wendeep declared it "chameleon wine" because it tasted slightly different yet ideal with every food pairing. This may have something to do with the blend of grapes: 53% cabernet sauvignon, 40% merlot, 4% cabernet franc, 3% petit verdot.

     

Check out those blossoms. Wendeep found some twigs and put them in water.

     

     Also: there is a sale on a new malbec from Argentina at the BCL right now. Graffigna. $13.49 or so.

     And finally, my back has been rogered for about a week but I'm working on it.

-J. Floorburn

   

Growing Up

     Never thought much about pinot noir 'cause I was young.  Now I want this easy wine.  Pairs nicely with the "noodley thing" my "wife" made for dinner.  Turned out this noodley thing was a lasagña (emphasis deliberate).  France makes a cheap pinot? Who knew?

- J. Floorburn

My wine turned queer, and turned into beer.

I have been there ever since.

just blogging some rich dark red vinegar

having fun wine

Top of the Shitpile

Good morning! I must have passed out there for a turn.

Here is a cheap Spanish wine called Lujuria from the Yecla winery. For nearly two years now it has been the best bang for buck. Not quite as fine as Ogio but then it's a couple dollars cheaper. This particular bottle (pictured hovering over bathroom tile) has been open three days. I will now taste.

Mild, begining to fall apart but impressively still being wine for it's price and exposure.

Rating: Always worthwhile. (Ed. note: the black-capped 2010's are all but exhausted, however, word on the street [and in much more reputable publications than this] is that 2011 produced the best crop in a few years, so look for the green-capped bottles and drink within two days of cracking.)

Next week: Ogio

-J. Floorburn

A Portuguese Jaunt

Took a little trip to the Portuguese aisle and sniffed out a classy looking cheap deal with an amusing name:

Porca de Murca.

Porca de Murca Douro tinto 2007 $11.99.

Took a good whiff and got sweet maple syrup peameal bacon on the nose. This set me up for disappointment as none of these delectable flavours were detectable on the tongue. Very acidic up front giving way to something I couldn't quite put my finger on, I felt it rather drinkable despite its lack of character. This wine would be excellent with white bread.

If you must.

Verdict: Tastes machine made.

-J. Floorburb

The Old Country

Campo Viejo

Campo Viejo Rioja Crianza $14.99.

This wine is chubby. Extra plump for a spanish wine. It is even a bit furry. Not so furry as that australian shiraz malbec though. I thought I could taste the cork a bit. I plugged her up and waited two days. Still good. S'good, s'good, s'good.... Retained the chubby-ness and only ever so slightly more acidic.

Worth another go.

Verdict: Tastes handmade.

-J. Floorburn

A Weekend To Remember

Friday, Dec. 3, 2010

The plan for dinner between myself and Motorhome (pictured here in the left foreground) fell apart at about 1900 hours. We went from looking at a full elk roast with all the trimmings (pattypan squash, parsnips, potatoes, and chard) to scarfing three pansworth of pan fries and ketchep instead. Motorhome supplied the wine.

Las Moras Reserve Tannat 2007 San Juan Argentina 14% "Oak aged for 16 months to tame its character".

Compared to other Argentinians this wine has heavy tannins. I always find I prefer my tannicky wine with food. We played a little palate-ball with various cheeses and M. Jackson brought a big bag of bulk cheeseys. The snack-hands so grossly displayed here belong to none other than Wendeep Oaksminder. I can only hope she washed instead of licking.

Definitely not for the faint of heart. Back to the story. Things got out of hand when Monsieur Orange tried to celebrate Britney Spears' birthday by cranking her songs on Motorhome's stereo. Orange wouldn't let the livid Motorhome (he despises Britney's music) in to Motorhome's own room to turn it off so Motorhome kicked his own bedroom door down onto Monsieur Orange.

Fast forward to sunday. Motorhome rehanged his door by the afternoon and finally got that elk roast in the oven (with all the trimmings), it looked and smelled beautifully. However when he attempted to make the gravy from the drippings in the pan the pyrex pan exploded all over the kitchen. Glass chunks and shards covered the stovetop, the floor, Motorhome, and the elk (and yes, all the trimmings). He nearly gave up cooking forever. Someday I'll tell the story of the great popcorn fiasco of '08.

-J. Floorburn

my first australian

I've steered away from Australian wines for years because of one Yellowtail shiraz (which shall remain named) for its disgusting flavour of cream soda. Pukeworthy and otherwise not warranting a review let alone an acknowledgement, Yellowtail shiraz will be used as a reference point to compare:

Wyndham Estate since 1828 bin 535 shiraz malbec southeastern Australia 2008 15.0% red wine.

Would this wine have been fermented with twigs, I suggest they'd be of the pine family. Wendeep detected mint, but why? On second swill I tasted fur; it even smelt of pelts. Wendeep insisted "It's the mintiest ever." She slyly noted mandarine orange, a bright red flag as far as I'm concerned. Too reminiscent of cream soda. But it is pulled off, and the myriad of flavours unexpectedly messy on the first sip blend nicely, if alarmingly furry. Probably go good with graham wafers, toaster waffles, candied prawns, coffee, celery, cupcakes, chinese food, etc.... Whereas Yellowtail shiraz might only ever taste remotely drinkable when paired with cream soda.

-J. Floorburn

Sweet Berry Wine! Dr. Steve Brule

tis the season

been seeing sangria around, even drank some. had white wine sangria for the first time last week and i really enjoyed it. lighter and sassier than it's older and redder sibling. i know i'm always blabbing about white wine, but if you're ever into trying it out this is the time. it's refreshing and delightful on a patio or picnic table.

bottoms up!

despite not having posted in months i still like wine. i have been trying and drinking lots of it. found a couple good ones like the chilean santa carolina. it's a cab sav and it tastes nice. not acidic and loves cheese (who doesn't!). 17 dollars at the cottage so it's gotta be about 14 at the bcl.

on another note, mr floorburn and i had a great night at the international wine tasting. i was pleasantly suprised by my ability to actually taste the differences between the wines. highlights included a $180 bottle of french Champagne, the real deal. had a lovely savouriness about it, with tiny bubbles. two bordeaux at the end of the night blew my mind. had a smooth "waxiness" that i have been trying to find in the under twenty dollar wines. spent the last hour of the tasting focusing on late harvest and ice wines. delicious nectary honeyed sips. seems like this is one place bc wines stand out.

a nice little white wine i'd reccomend is the cono sur viogner. it's unoaked, which makes it smooth and a bit crisp. like a grape cider. tasty and fresh. good to drink on it's own. and only $13.

Celebrate Open That Bottle Night

BS

Valentimes Day

Citra Montepulciano D'Abruzzo 2006
Denominaxione di Origne Controllata

Citra Vini

Italy

1500 ml - $15.49
13% alc./vol

Staff Pick

Down at Brewery Creek is a fine deal on a carmenere called Estacion, $12.50 at a private.  I went specially for my second bottle of it and there was a staff recommendation tag by Lisa, hmmm...  There are some bargains kicking around out there.  Baires from Argentina at the private shop at 25th and Oak is only $13 bucks!  I've never seen these wines at BCL...  I will do my best to discover these market-breakers, these loss leading under-cutters, so far the only upside to privatisation.  I will not, however be seen shopping for wine at walmart or zellers or whatever the kids are calling it these days no matter what Harper has been telling you.  Peace in the Middle East. 

-J. Floorburn

Guilty, your Honour.

"The honourable 'Justice Jim' presiding."

"Thank you, you may be seated..."

This is a decent, affordable 14.5% South African Cabernet Sauvignon.

It's from '06 and just in transition from purple to red, has a warm-swimming-pool-with-buckets-of-candy-in-it scent in the glass and a typical South African spiciness.  There is flavour at every interval but a tad uncoordinated as a whole.  I accidentally left the bottle open overnight and it survived well enough, lost a touch here, gained some balance there, fairly impressive.  I just ate a salad with raw onion and heavily garlicked dressing and now the wine's afterlinger tastes like sausages, very impressive.  

"How do you plead?"

"High in value, moderate in character, low in style."  

"I sentence you to years of enjoyment by drinking to be served immediately.  Rating: 3.1 of 5.  Court adjourned."

-J. Floorburn 

What Are You Doing For the Rest of Your Night?

Can you tell I liked it?

This was my introduction to bordeaux.  A chrissmas present from the Allen's.  Monsieur "Duke D'Orange" Orange, b33phd1p, and I drank it.

     "The body of a malbec but goes down like an italian."  --M. O.

     "Dry on the gums but perfect on the tongue, dry in the right way."  --J. F.

     "You're quite right, my tongue is numb."  --B. D.

Chateau Pey la Tour, Bordeaux, merlot-cabernet, '06.

Rating:  Best of it's type, of which I have tried only this one.

-J. Floorburn

Happy 100th Post !

it is 2009....  

i know, previously, i said i had a lot to say this holiday season.  well, i thought i would.  but it turned out that was the last you'd hear of me.  

the thing is you know, i DID enjoy some wine on the holidays.  

(nvm)

all the best to you and yours a la 2009 !

chantilly lace

lucien albrecht
gewurtztraminer 2006
france

here's a nice wine in a pretty bottle. santa dropped this one in my stocking a couple weeks ago. i must have been good because this is a great wine. it's white, which can be problematic for a tannin lover like me, but this wine was totally satisfying. it's not really that tannicky, but it makes up for it with a minerally crispness that goes down easy. not like a coors light, but like a fresh clean spring water. it makes me think of fresh apples and lime. not too sweet and not like a melon. it's easy drinking from the moment the cork pops out, but after a day with the cork out the flavours develop into a smooth rich caramelly type thing. i've got a hunch that this wine would do well with a decanting. check out the lucien albrecht website to learn about their hand harvesting and see photos of their vineyards. lovely.

4.5/5 stars
mystery price

white christmas

cono sur, chile 2008
viognier, a white wine
13.5%

a white wine with a thick, viscous body, finally! it's got a hit of tannins buffered with a layer of peach nectar. according to the lable it goes well with shellfish and asian style food, i believe it. as it was, i was tossing the wine around with bites of liver pate and foil-wrapped triangle cheeses, not a great match. the pate fought with the heavy meloniness, and the cheese brought out the acidity like a 35 year old man in a cheap pizza shop. this wine is lovely as a snack on it's own, and sipping it looks classy to a set of teetotalling parents. a bottle of friday night in your purse!

$9.99
three and a half stars

Soleus

Morande Reserva

Well, the one I drank had a different label and wasn't a 'pianero rosa' or something.  It had a nice ink blotch/squiggle that sort of looked like a tree and it was a cab sav.  I have had my eye on it for a while but I'm slightly nervous about chileans because they're not argentinians (although the Palo Alto at b33phd1p & wango's the other night has me thawing a bit).  

It's dry and spanking new like a tennis ball, but doesn't smell like one thankfully.  It is well balanced with a reserva tannin, but a little fine for me, I tend to like a body that begs to be wrestled.  I would like to see what it could do to a hot dog with mustard and relish. 

Rating: pending.

-J. Floorburn

it's done now

yellow tail from australlia, 2008
60% shiraz and 40%cabernet
13.5%

tasty like a piece of dark chocolate covered marzipan. not much attack. more reminiscent of an easter bunnies candy eye. i crave a stronger tannin and leather flavour from my wine, but if you'd like a wine that's sweet and easy then try this guy out. happened to go nicely with a tomato and mystery meat sauce.

L'Orangerie !!

what does that say ?! oh yes !

behold....

Chateau de Pennautier 

L' ORANGERIE DE PENNAUTIER 

Vin de Pays Cite de Carcassonne - 2006

purchased and recommended from Liberty Wines on Robsonstrausse when inquiring about heavy french wines.  when i saw the name i had to stop everything, talking and all, and just buy this and get out of there.  it felt too good to be true.

it turns out, above the ultimate curb appeal in the name alone, this wine was so excellent.  unfortunately it's a rarity there now.  if you can find it buy it.  here's the technical stats :

style: Soft & Supple Reds

grapes: Cabernet Sauvignon / Merlot / Grenache

description: full-bodied, fruity, and full of the taste of rural France, but with an elegant finish ! Vivid ruby-red colour showing a nose dominated by red fruits (raspberry, redcurrant) with hints of blackcurrant leaves and cherry-stone, (cherry-stone ?) oh well.

country: France

region: Languedoc-Roussillon

producer: Chateau de Pennautier (Vignobles Lorgeril)

it was like, 25 bucks.

The Old Farm

I have been sampling la vielle ferme for a couple of years now. I heard that this wine comes from a family of organics but it doesn't say so on the label. No matter, it is a very agreeable, affordable, french red. Don't overthink it, you know? It's got shickens on the label. Goodnight, pictured here with homemade palak paneer by wendeep.

-Floorburn

Mystery Meat Bolognaise

Monsieur Orange and Mr. M. Jackson trade secrets.

A modest little dinner party just sort of happened last weekend involving these two, sarge, wendeep, myself, brie, a bocconcini basil salad, a block of meat we figure was lamb, gluten free spaghetti, and four bottles of wine, surprise, surprise.

M. Jackson brought the french: Domaine la Combe, vin de pays d'Herault, '06, 13%. He reported it to be "peppery".

Monsieur Orange offered up his current fancy: chianti. He says, "No body, easy... you drink it and you don't feel drunk, then you are... perfect!" "My new girl." This one happened to be Melini Chianti, 12.5%, '07.

I purchased Benjamin Nieto Senetiner Red Wine, Argentinian malbec, '08, and that seems to be all I have written in my notebook on the subject, I'm sure it was fine.

Mattress was in town this weekend and indulged us with two lovely performances and he brought a bottle up from the states which I traded him for a sample of Doi Chaang coffee. It turned out to be Yellow Tail shiraz-cab. Sheesh. When I was a kid I used to like cream soda, now I like wine. I honestly wonder if it is real. Surely they add an artifical vanilla flavouring. It was so gross, sip after sip just as bad as before, it tasted like melted candy-apple shells.

Good night.

-J. Floorburn

South Africa

I have the internet. Now i have little time to devote to the little things like story, feelings. Regretably, standards have fallen in the realm of adult entertainment. "How's the smut business, Jacky?"-- That's what a guy in my dream asked me the other night.

Okay, I been trying the South African wine. Excelsior 2006 Cab Sav $15.99, 14.5%.

Purple shit. Dark cinnamon spicy-like. Smells and attacks like an Argentinian malbec but finishes like the French. There is some sort of abject flatness not unpleasant like cooked kidney beans.

Alright, I been tryin' another. Excelsior purebred red, 14.5%, $15.99.

Here's a blend. Uglier than his brother, but does the job as well. Drinkable without snacular-type nibbliar-like food items.

Ratings: Cuban cigars of wine.

-J. Floorburn

Holiday Season Feelings

i thought of my little pet project today after sipping the very best French Malbec (ah the french) at Liberty Wines.

i do still love wine very much.

i will have a lot to say this up and coming holiday season !

cheers

-BD

Just Getting My Feet Wet

Hey Folks, thanks for the invite! Great posts so far.

I'll be contributing, once I've done some more sampling.
Going to send Alyssa an invite also.
See ya on Tuesday if not before.

Jesse

What Are You Doin' Fer the Rest of Your Life?

Jean Bousquet malbec '07, 13.8% alc. Altitude: 1,200 meters.

Full rich fruity over-the-top dense plummy blackberry port-like proofing bread with chocolaty brandied cherry.

Serve this at your next job interview, or drink it when it's a boy, or heck, when it's a girl...

Rating: Single and childless.

Feels like: 4.2

-J. Floorburn

Many a Goode Olde Tyme Had By All

Nary a goode tyme wasted.  Come all ye who doth spendeth the goode tyme with thy friends and eateth all the lasagna. Cheers be to the future of our kynde, on the morrow may ye be guided by goode wine and necessary whimsy and voteth for thy mayor carefully, and with much humility and chagrin, as the Olympix cometh to towne. Not once, not twice, but thrice now hath we the opportunity to thwarth yon evil. Let us voteth and retire to breaketh a fast perhaps with pancakes?

-J. Floorburn

you still gotta pay your damn terasen bill

hardy's
riesling & gewurztraminer
australlia 2007

jumped right off the bus into the ceder cottage looking for a something to quench my working class thirst. two days before payday in the midst of a budgetary shitstorm (i.e. i blew my paycheque on bacon and shoes) and i'm thinking of wine. first the coats off then the corks out. this wine required about ten minutes to decarbonate itself, after that things got worse. the nose had hints of rising hot cross buns and a week old bouquet from a bad date. i detected koala piss and pineapple on the tongue. but after d&d was cancelled i went for it on this bottle, the buzz mellowed the flavour, but resulted with me waking up at 6:30 for work with a mid week hang over. at a mere 11.5% alcohol i won't make this mistake twice. it does however have a cute bird stamp on the bottle, foiled by curb appeal!

maiden blog voyage

dunavar "connoiseur collection"
2006 pinot gris
hungary
$13.00ish at the cedar college

this little number is an unassuming tasty wine. it calls itself fashionable and elegant. the dunavar is not as classy as audrey hepburn, but might be able to pass for bridgit bardot. the wine feels like a soft summer apricot cloud on the tongue. and a delicate fruit salad on the nose. mellow like a marshmallow. a bit caramely. it tastes just as nice the next day with an afternoon of bookbinding and talking heads. i'd probably buy it again.
3/5

Playing Catch-up

Now that Wendeep Oaksminder (pictured) is knee deep in the arduous task we all know as 'wine sampling', we seem to be sampling faster than we can post. Maybe soon you will read of her experiences first hand, but for now I'll tell you some things that were said over a special treat we specially treated ourselves with last weekend.

Dos Fincas Vina Amalia, Argentinian 60% Cab, 40% malbec, 13.5% alc. $18.99 @ Liberty wine mechant, Granville Island. (Rumour has it this can be found slightly cheaper at the Liberty on Robson? [and yet another rumour has it this can be found even slightlier cheapier at the cold b&w at oak and 25th?])

Nose: Bitter rubber, summer lily, vanilla, fresh cut red cedar, Field's shoe department in August.

Mouth: Leather shoe unworn, long finish with a hint of banane, robust as pound cake, drink it with a fork.

Palate-ball: Fresh figs (good), Aged goat gouda (pretty good), chile pepper gouda (okay), strawberries (good), applewood smoked cheddar (highlight with strawberries), french brie (with this wine is like yougurt and fruit, so really good).

Rating: 3.85 of 5



-J. Floorburn

Cono Sur Revisited and Comparerd

Here we have close friends and lasagna. (I realise the lasagna is not pictured and only one close friend is, but you'll have to take our word for it. And yes, hallowe'en was a week ago.)

Keep goin the way we're goin. bicycle schmycicle. I think we canm agree that the inorganic cono sur is inferior to the organic. A bunch of wines drank in tandem will NOT corrupt each others flavours. The next one out-does or fails against it's predecessor. LARPing. In the woods and shit. Stanley Park one afternoon. If you are a dwarf, you dress up as a dwarf. When wine's on sale, take it.

-J. Floorburn

My First Australian

Tintara Horseshoe Row. Medal winning 2006 shiraz. Monsieur d'Orange says it's "Good, really good." I say have it with halibut with lime and butter, it can satisfy a craving for fried chiggen.

Alc. 14.5%/vol.

Rating: nice, nicely done.

-J. Floorburn

The Joy of Painting

Well, it was November first, time to carve the pumpkin. Sort of a diorama, here in the photograph. The Trapiche lives over here, just nestled next to the pumpkin house. And the little gourds, they're just snuggling playfully, enjoying themselves.

Seeds roasted at three twenty five for about fifteen minutes with olive oil, seasoning salt and curry powder makes a snack not unlike popcorn.

Most of this bottle was drank over "Ironman", the movie, and good humour was sufficiently sustained.

Rating: pretty good
-J. Floorburn

France Vs. Argentina

Argentina: Don Miguel Gascon, 2006 malbec. 50% french, 50% american oak aging. $15.99

France: J.P. Cheney, Founder's Reserve, merlot-cabernet, vin de pays d'oc, 14%. Bottle no. 02470

The Gascon is rich, fruity, and dry. It has a two-phase drinking experience, enjoyably complex, wheras the Cheney is mellow, subtle, and is fully integrated thus consistent from start to finish. With rich foods such as baked herbed goat cheese pyramids, prosciutto, and pate, the french merlot-cab shows off its sophistication, but the Argentinian malbec is confident and robust to stand up to Dinner. I would choose the Cheney for a fresh palate, or a relaxing hot bath, but the Gascon is intriguing enough to demand repeated taste-testing.

Score: I'd like to call it a draw, but...

France: 4 Argentina:4.1

-J. Floorburn

Another Go at B.C.?

At an old friend's birthday party at Sate Sato Indonesian restaurant tuesday evening I had the mild surprise of not being disgusted by not one, but two B.C. wines. Mission hill Cab Sav just leaves the Jackson Triggs in the dust. It may not be great but I sure had low expectations. Then some guy in a sweater I just met graciously bought the birthday girl a bottle of Hillside Estate 2005 merlot. (After he saw me scribbling away at the end of the table he asked, "were you drawing?" To which I replied, "ha, ha, no... I am reviewing this wine, just taking notes.") Wendeep exclaimed immediately upon sipping, "velvety!", impressive since the label itself says 'red velvet in a bottle'. It also says 'big, luscious' and I would agree. It is rather complex for a B.C. wine.

Just a thought on my obvious disdain for B.C. wine products: Maybe they are so over-priced that I just can't afford a drinkable one. What a shame considering the government subsidies.

Bye for now.

-J. Floorburn

Mediocre Label

Il Bastardo, Italy

This is my first attempt at 'Curb Appeal'. I chose this for the label but let me be clear: I do not like the label. B33phd1p was with me and said he has been avoiding this one for weeks because of the label, fair enough. Back at b33phd1p's ninth floor pad the air was fresh, the lap dog was excitable, the jack-o-lanterns glowing and the glasses clean. We set up a cheese board with figs and dates for later (we had three bottles and a date with wango apres work). Sitting on the patio we commenced aggressive sniffing. Amazing! The smell of vanilla was impossibly strong (which turned out to be true as there was a vanilla scented candle steadily burning a heavy corruption of our olfactories). B33phd1p put the candle out but the smell lingered. With our noses deep in our glasses and with very raucous laughter we both reported two very distinct stinks: wine and vanilla. I could definitely smell grapes, and not fresh ones either. This wine is way too acidic to have without food and it dried the tongue out like way oversteeped black tea. It also gets worse with breathing. One glass down and we recorked it with a loud: "NEXT!"

Rating: 1.2865 of 5

-J. Floorburn

P.S. Is that a bottle of Efes in the photo? I would greatly welcome a turkish beer at this point.